Inability to Model Turbulence
PhysicsConvergent’s problem statement, unedited
Modeling turbulence remains one of the most challenging problems in physics due to its nonlinear and chaotic nature.
One chain, on one axis. The steps below are the order the work runs in; the number on each is what that step costs on that axis.
From a flow problem to a trusted prediction: what sets the cost of modelling turbulence
Their gap: Inability to Model Turbulence
| Step | AI reaches it | Gap Map capabilities | Cost |
|---|---|---|---|
| 01Fix the case and the accuracy the decision needsThe error a turbulence model will make on a flow it has not been validated against cannot be stated before the run, so in practice the accuracy requirement is argued from precedent rather than predicted. | speculative | none | no published figureNo cost on this axis: the step consumes meetings, not core-hours. It sets every number downstream. |
| 02Build the geometry and the meshThe resolution map has to be chosen before the flow is known. | speculative | none | 33 CPU core-hours per flow conditionAbout 2 minutes on 1,000 Ivy Bridge cores, converted to core-hours. Four orders of magnitude below the run it feeds. The human judgment that sizes the mesh is not measured on this axis, and by the 2014 survey it was the dominant cost in human intervention across the CFD workflow. |
| 03Choose the closure and the fidelity levelThere is no rule that says which closure fits a flow you have not run. | 2–5 years | 1 capability | no published figureNo cost on this axis. The choice is free to make and sets the cost of every step after it. |
| 04Get the high-fidelity data the closure is calibrated and validated againstThe reference data is the expensive thing, and it is expensive in the same currency as the prediction it is supposed to make cheap. | speculative | 1 capability | no published figureA scaling, not a price. No published core-hour figure was found for producing a validation dataset for a given engineering flow. |
| 05Run the simulationcarries the costAt the Reynolds numbers of the application the resolved-scale cost still outruns the machine. | speculative | 1 capability | 360000 CPU core-hours per flow conditionFine grid, 157 million cells, 30 convective flow passes. The 32-million-cell medium grid is about 40,000 and the steady RANS reference about 60,000, so the medium LES already costs about what RANS costs, and the authors call both grids of reasonable accuracy. Turnaround on the same case is 7.5 days on 2,000 CPU cores or 7 hours on 96 GPUs - wall-clock on different hardware, not a core-hour comparison. |
| 06Turn the model error into design marginThe error bar comes from the spread between codes rather than from a validated model of the error, and that spread has not narrowed across the workshop series. | 2–5 years | 1 capability | no published figureA spread, not a cost. What the spread costs is the margin carried in the design, and no published figure puts a number on that. |
| 07Get the prediction accepted in place of a testcarries the costRegulators accept a computed answer where a validation record already exists, and the conditions a prediction is wanted for are by definition the ones without one. | speculative | none | no published figureNo published cost. Six searches from different angles found none; what they looked for is in the evidence below. |
2 of the 7 steps carry the cost, and AI acts on 4 steps, 1 of which is also among them. Cost here is additive rather than sequential, so “carries the cost” means where the cost concentrates.
What the chain showed
Predicting a turbulent flow — the air over an aircraft wing, say — means running a large computer simulation, and that simulation is the only step in the whole process anyone has put a price on. It is also a step AI reaches. In the one aircraft case where every step was costed, the simulation took about 360,000 hours of processor time for a single flying condition, against about 33 for building the grid it runs on. Two things stop that from meaning AI has found the bottleneck. Counted in engineers' time rather than computer time, building the grid is the expensive step — NASA's own survey says so. And the two steps practitioners say cost most, producing trustworthy reference data and getting a regulator to accept a calculation in place of a wind-tunnel test, have no published price at all. The September 2026 Navier-Stokes result does not change any of this: it settled whether the idealised equations can break down when a force is applied, not how cheaply a real flow can be predicted, and none of the seven steps waits on that answer.
The rest of what it showed
AI does reach the step that carries the measured cost, which neither the telescope nor the publishing chain produced, so the method can return that answer. But the step it reaches was already getting cheaper without AI: the authors of that case put the monetary cost of the GPU route at 'an order of magnitude less than current central processing unit (CPU)-based supercomputing platforms', and its turnaround at 7 hours against 7.5 days — a wall-clock ratio on different hardware rather than a fall in core-hours, which is why it appears nowhere as a number on this chain. And the expectation that a priced step also being an AI step would settle something turns out to be a statement about what has been priced. One caveat on the prediction itself: I wrote it down before building any step and have not changed it since, but I wrote it after fourteen searches had already turned up the main sources, so it is a weaker test than a blind one.
The expectation was also wrong about capability coverage, in the direction of understating it. Convergent attach one capability to this gap, 'Develop New Modeling Frameworks for Turbulence', and reading its five substantive resources rather than its name puts it on four steps: the closure itself, the data the closure is trained on, the run, and - through the tensor-network calculation of turbulence probability distributions - the error bar, though that last mapping is the arguable one, and a second pass and I disagreed about it. The DARPA APAQuS programme behind it is explicitly about producing turbulence data from tabletop quantum simulators at lower cost than wind tunnels, which is the ground-truth step. What the capability set does not touch is deciding what accuracy the decision needs, the mesh, and getting the answer accepted. That is an observation about where a single capability was aimed, not a gap in their map; with one capability attached, against the three this method wants, the coverage reading here is thin by construction and half of what a chain usually produces is unavailable.
The September 2026 Navier-Stokes result acts on none of the seven steps, as registered. OpenAI's agents established statements C and D of the Clay formulation - a finite-time singularity in three-dimensional incompressible flow with a smooth forcing term, from rest - and the unforced question that physicists care about stays open. As of 18 September 2026 the proof had not been independently verified, the Clay Mathematics Institute's page for the problem is unchanged, and priority is contested. Nothing on this chain waits on that answer: every step here is about the cost of approximating a solution, not about whether a smooth one exists. The result is a strong datapoint about AI doing mathematics and a weak one about modelling turbulence, and those are different claims that the coverage has tended to merge.
Where the evidence is thin, and it is thin in three places a reader should know about. One costed workflow carries steps 2 and 5, at a wind-tunnel Reynolds number an order of magnitude below flight. The 360,000 figure is a choice: the same authors call both the medium and the fine grid 'of reasonable accuracy', and the medium grid is 40,000, which would have made a quieter headline on the same arithmetic. And the nulls on steps 4 and 7 are genuine nulls, so 'the unpriced steps cost more' is the practitioners' claim rather than a measurement - a second pass argued step 4 the other way, that a reference dataset is produced once per canonical flow and reused for decades while the 360,000 core-hours recur for every flow condition, which is why that step is no longer marked as carrying the cost.
Appendix: what I predicted before running this
AI acts on three of the seven steps: mesh and geometry preparation, the choice and form of the closure, and the simulation run itself through learned surrogates. It does not act on generating the high-fidelity ground truth that calibration and validation consume, nor on getting a result accepted for a decision. The cost concentrates on the simulation run once the flow must be resolved rather than modelled, and on obtaining ground truth; I expect at least one step carrying cost to also be a step AI reaches, which neither the telescope nor the publishing chain produced. The binding constraint should turn out to be circular rather than absent: the learned surrogate that cheapens the run is trained on data from the ground-truth step it cannot replace, so the cost moves upstream rather than disappearing. Convergent attach a single capability to this gap, 'Develop New Modeling Frameworks for Turbulence', and I expect it to act on the closure step alone, leaving six of seven steps with nothing attached. The September 2026 Navier-Stokes blow-up result acts on none of the seven steps.
Every step: what blocks it, which AI capability touches it, and the evidence
| # | Step | What blocks it | Measure for this step | AI capability | Their capabilities acting here | Binding |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Fix the case and the accuracy the decision needs | The error a turbulence model will make on a flow it has not been validated against cannot be stated before the run, so in practice the accuracy requirement is argued from precedent rather than predicted. The certification literature does not describe that negotiation, but it does name the condition that forces it: predictive capability is defined as use of a model 'under conditions for which the computational model has not been validated', and that is exactly the condition a new prediction is wanted for. | — | Coordination and institutions Speculative | none | |
| 2 | Build the geometry and the mesh | The resolution map has to be chosen before the flow is known. Cutting the mesh is no longer the expense: a 157-million-cell body-fitted Voronoi grid for this case is generated in about two minutes on 1,000 cores. Deciding where the cells go is, and the authors say it 'is guided with little a priori information', resting on an assumed number of cells across the boundary layer plus experimental data near the leading edge. | 33 CPU core-hours per flow condition | Design search Speculative | none | |
| 3 | Choose the closure and the fidelity level | There is no rule that says which closure fits a flow you have not run. The one- and two-equation RANS models that carry industrial aerodynamics date from 1992 and 1994 and the 2014 survey described their development as 'nearly stagnant' for the preceding twenty years; the data-driven replacements have a named unsolved obstacle, the mismatch between the pointwise offline objective they are trained on and the solver-coupled way they must run. | — | Prediction and modeling 2-5 years | Develop New Modeling Frameworks for Turbulence | |
| 4 | Get the high-fidelity data the closure is calibrated and validated against | The reference data is the expensive thing, and it is expensive in the same currency as the prediction it is supposed to make cheap. Direct numerical simulation cost scales as Re^2.91 against Re^1.14 for wall-modelled LES, and in the boundary-layer range examined DNS is about 100 times the cost of wall-resolved LES. The experimental route is limited by 'test cost, large number of cases needed, and instrumentation limitations'. | DNS cost scales as Re^2.91, wall-resolved LES as Re^2.72 and wall-modelled LES as Re^1.14; DNS is roughly 100 times wall-resolved LES in the range examined | Running experiments Speculative | Develop New Modeling Frameworks for Turbulence | |
| 5 | Run the simulation | At the Reynolds numbers of the application the resolved-scale cost still outruns the machine. For this case the fine grid costs about 360,000 CPU core-hours per flow condition, six times the steady RANS reference on the same configuration, and the same authors put the cost scaling from there to flight conditions at Re^(4/3). | 360,000 CPU core-hours per flow condition | Prediction and modeling Speculative | Develop New Modeling Frameworks for Turbulence | binding |
| 6 | Turn the model error into design margin | The error bar comes from the spread between codes rather than from a validated model of the error, and that spread has not narrowed across the workshop series. At the sixth Drag Prediction Workshop the interquartile spread of total drag across submissions was four to five drag counts, the whisker spread was ten to fifteen, and about 18% of grid-convergence submissions were statistical outliers, 'consistent with earlier workshops'. Part of that spread is gridding rather than the closure: the authors attribute the lower scatter at the fifth workshop to a common grid sequence, and the sixth 'reverted to scatter levels similar to other workshops that also did not use a common grid'. | Interquartile spread of 4 to 5 drag counts across submissions, whisker spread 10 to 15 counts, and about 18% of grid-convergence submissions statistical outliers | Prediction and modeling 2-5 years | Develop New Modeling Frameworks for Turbulence | |
| 7 | Get the prediction accepted in place of a test | Regulators accept a computed answer where a validation record already exists, and the conditions a prediction is wanted for are by definition the ones without one. Certification by analysis is real but narrow: large antenna installations have been certified by analysis since the early 2000s, on Airbus A330-200 and Boeing 737-8 series, with approved methods of compliance behind them, and those cases are CFD-only with no multidisciplinary component. Beyond that envelope the field is still at the stage of a 2025 community challenge problem, and the position paper behind it says demonstrating credibility 'remains a challenge for many types of certification requirements'. | — | Coordination and institutions Speculative | none | binding |
- 1. Fix the case and the accuracy the decision needs — Labelled as institutional work because what is missing is an agreed answer to 'how accurate is accurate enough here', which a model cannot supply. Marked guess because a reader could reasonably argue that an LLM reading the regulation and the precedent set would shorten the negotiation, and because the claim that the target is argued from precedent is the practitioners' account rather than something the cited source states; the source is cited only for the definition it does give.Evidence: Bekemeyer, Geisbauer, Schaefer, Macomber, Wittenberg, Coggon, Held, Gojny, Denham, Bui and Yoo, 'Challenge Problem Overview for the Certification by Analysis Uncertainty Quantification Discussion Group', AIAA Aviation 2025, NASA NTRS 20250005704, https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20250005704/downloads/AIAA_CbA_CoI_Aviation_Paper-forReview_06092025.pdf
- 2. Build the geometry and the mesh — AI reaches this step because adaptive and learned mesh sizing is an active, working line of work and mesh generation is a search problem with a checkable objective. Maturity is Speculative and that is a statement about the axis, not about the technique: on core-hours this step already costs 33, so no application of AI to it can move the measured cost. The gain would be in engineer time, which is the half of the declared axis this chain never shows, and which the same NASA survey calls the dominant cost in human intervention across the workflow. On a labour-cost chain this step would very likely read Working now and might well be the binding one. Marked guess for that reason.Evidence: Goc, Lehmkuhl, Park, Bose and Moin, 'Large eddy simulation of aircraft at affordable cost: a milestone in computational fluid dynamics', Flow 1, E14 (2021), doi:10.1017/flo.2021.17. Wall-modelled LES of the JAXA Standard Model high-lift configuration at Re_c = 2x10^6, charLES solver, Table 1. Mesh generation timing from section 4 of the same paper. The human-cost characterisation is Slotnick et al., 'CFD Vision 2030 Study: A Path to Revolutionary Computational Aerosciences', NASA/CR-2014-218178 (2014), https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140003093/downloads/20140003093.pdf, section 5.3: mesh generation 'constitutes the dominant cost in terms of human intervention'.
- 3. Choose the closure and the fidelity level — This is the step Convergent's capability is named for, and the one where AI has the longest record: field inversion, symbolic regression and neural closures all act here. Maturity is 2-5 years rather than Working now because the September 2026 review identifies the a priori/a posteriori gap as unresolved and traces it to properties of turbulence rather than to architecture, so applying a learned closure to an unseen flow today does not reliably move the step. Guess, because on the narrow classes where a closure has been tuned against matched data it already works now.Evidence: Slotnick et al., 'CFD Vision 2030 Study: A Path to Revolutionary Computational Aerosciences', NASA/CR-2014-218178 (2014), https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140003093/downloads/20140003093.pdf ('RANS models, which have seen nearly stagnant development for 20 years'). Current state of the data-driven alternatives: Hu and Yang, 'Bridging physics and data: A review of machine learning approaches for turbulence closure modeling', Physics of Fluids 38, 091302 (17 September 2026), doi:10.1063/5.0339930.
- 4. Get the high-fidelity data the closure is calibrated and validated against — No current AI capability reaches this step, because a learned model trained on ground truth is not ground truth. Marked guess, and the near-miss is real: DARPA's APAQuS, one of the resources behind Convergent's capability, proposes tabletop quantum simulators to produce turbulence data at lower cost than wind tunnels, with AI-based discovery of governing laws on top. If that works it acts squarely on this step. This step was marked as carrying the cost and then unmarked, and the argument that unmarked it is the right one: on an axis of cost per prediction, a reference dataset is produced once per canonical flow and reused for decades by every closure and every application, so it amortises, while the 360,000 core-hours at step 5 recur for every flow condition. The field names this step as the constraint on every data-driven route, which is a constraint on a technology path and not a share of the cost, and those are different claims.Evidence: Yang and Griffin, 'Grid-point and time-step requirements for direct numerical simulation and large-eddy simulation', Physics of Fluids 33, 015108 (2021), doi:10.1063/5.0036515, read as arXiv:2010.15307v2. Data-scarcity characterisation from Slotnick et al., 'CFD Vision 2030 Study: A Path to Revolutionary Computational Aerosciences', NASA/CR-2014-218178 (2014), https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140003093/downloads/20140003093.pdf, turbulence modelling impediments: 'Typical impediments include test cost, large number of cases needed, and instrumentation limitations.' The characterisation of high-fidelity data scarcity as an open problem is from the abstract of Hu and Yang, 'Bridging physics and data: A review of machine learning approaches for turbulence closure modeling', Physics of Fluids 38, 091302, published online 17 September 2026, doi:10.1063/5.0339930, which closes by examining 'generalizability across flow configurations, interpretability, numerical stability under solver coupling, and the scarcity of high-fidelity data'. Read from the publisher's abstract page in a browser; the full text is paywalled and there is no preprint, so nothing beyond the abstract is relied on here.
- 5. Run the simulation — AI reaches this step: learned surrogates and neural operators are aimed exactly here, and this is the step that carries the measured cost. Maturity is Speculative because the accuracy is not there in three dimensions - a current multi-physics foundation model is restricted to 2D and its authors state that 'no model is capable of high-fidelity predictions, let alone replacing numerical solvers' - and because the published speedups are unreliable: of 76 articles claiming to beat a standard numerical method on a fluid PDE, 79% compared against a weak baseline. Marked guess because for a narrowly scoped, heavily sampled configuration a surrogate does move this step today. It is marked as carrying the cost on the arithmetic: this step is more than 99.9% of the cost this chain can measure in its displayed unit. The cost already coming out of this step is attributable to GPUs and solver work rather than to learning; the same authors put that at about an order of magnitude in money. Evidence for the ML caveats: McGreivy and Hakim, 'Weak baselines and reporting biases lead to overoptimism in machine learning for fluid-related partial differential equations', Nature Machine Intelligence 6, 1256-1269 (2024), doi:10.1038/s42256-024-00897-5, arXiv:2407.07218. 'Towards a Physics Foundation Model', arXiv:2509.13805v4 (revised 31 May 2026).Evidence: Goc, Lehmkuhl, Park, Bose and Moin, 'Large eddy simulation of aircraft at affordable cost: a milestone in computational fluid dynamics', Flow 1, E14 (2021), doi:10.1017/flo.2021.17. Wall-modelled LES of the JAXA Standard Model high-lift configuration at Re_c = 2x10^6, charLES solver, Table 1.
- 6. Turn the model error into design margin — AI reaches this step because estimating model-form uncertainty from features of the flow field is a working line of work with a decade of results behind it. Maturity is 2-5 years because what is wanted is a calibrated error bar a regulator would accept, and the same 18% outlier rate across six workshops says the field does not have one yet. The capability is attached here on a second pass's argument rather than mine: Gourianov et al.'s tensor-network method computes probability distributions of turbulent flow quantities, and that pass argued that a flow-quantity distribution is what a calibrated error bar is made of. I read that resource as acting on the run instead. It is recorded on both steps because overstating a bare step is the more costly error. Guess, for that reason and because the step could reasonably be read as institutional rather than predictive, if what is missing is an agreed convention for reporting error rather than a better estimate of it.Evidence: Derlaga and Morrison, 'Statistical Analysis of CFD Solutions from the 6th AIAA CFD Drag Prediction Workshop', AIAA 2017-0209, NASA NTRS 20170001316, https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20170001316/downloads/20170001316.pdf
- 7. Get the prediction accepted in place of a test — No current AI capability reaches this step, because what is missing is an agreed basis for trusting a prediction outside its validation envelope, which is a decision by a regulator. Confident, because the certification literature states the blocker in those terms rather than in terms of model accuracy. It is marked as carrying the cost on the practitioners' account rather than on a number: the test is still run outside the narrow approved envelope, so its cost sits on top of everything above. That is a judgment, and the absence of a figure is recorded rather than filled.Evidence: Honest null on the cost. Six searches from different angles - published wind-tunnel rates, occupancy-hour cost at a national transonic facility, tunnel hours in a transport development programme, a named programme's tunnel hours, certification-by-analysis progress, and the replacement question directly - found no figure for what a certification decision costs when the prediction is not accepted. Two near-misses, both rejected. The searches returned a widely repeated trade figure of about $20,000 per wind-tunnel hour, carried by an AIAA social post with no primary source behind it, which the project's source ranking excludes; a reader should know it exists and that it was not used. The better-sourced near-miss is Slotnick et al., 'CFD Vision 2030 Study', NASA/CR-2014-218178, case study 4, which reports that on Ares I 'CFD was often less reliable and more expensive than experimental testing, resulting in limited use of CFD principally in specific regions of the flight envelope where testing was not feasible' - a direction without a quantity. Current status and the antenna precedent: Bekemeyer et al., 'Challenge Problem Overview for the Certification by Analysis Uncertainty Quantification Discussion Group', AIAA Aviation 2025, NASA NTRS 20250005704, section II.
Axes I deliberately left out of this chain
Elapsed time from a new closure being proposed to its routine use in production design, which runs over a different set of steps — formulation, solver implementation, workshop validation and certification acceptance — and is measured in decades rather than per prediction. Also excluded: the mathematical question of existence and smoothness of solutions to the Navier-Stokes equations, which is a different kind of work and does not sit on the path to a prediction at all.
What Convergent attach to this gap, which is one capability
Their foundational capabilities for this gap, in their words. Which steps each one acts on is my reading, and it is in the step table above.
- Develop New Modeling Frameworks for Turbulence — Create and implement novel mathematical models and computational frameworks that can more accurately simulate and predict turbulent flows.
A chain says most about capability coverage when a gap carries three or more. With one, “which steps have none attached” is thin by construction, and that is a fact about this gap rather than a finding about their map.